AMA with Deborah Diercks – SAEM President & UTSW EM Chair – 2/2/15

  Ask Me Anything With Deborah Diercks (02/02/2015) 
7:55
Baker Hamilton: 

Hello Everyone! Thanks for joining us for another AMA! Will get started in 5 minutes! This AMA features Dr. Deborah Diercks who is the Chair of the UT Southwestern Medical Center Emergency Department and also the President-Elect of SAEM! Get those questions ready!

Monday February 2, 2015 7:55 Baker Hamilton
7:57
[Comment From Alex KoyfmanAlex Koyfman: ] 

What are 3 EM myths you wish would go away?

Monday February 2, 2015 7:57 Alex Koyfman

 
D Diercks: 

The first is that we all will burn out, the second is that we are just “triage” doctors and the third is the perception by the lay public that we will someday pick a real specialty

  D Diercks
7:59
[Comment From Alex KoyfmanAlex Koyfman: ] 

Most important work and life advice you’ve received from your mentors?

Monday February 2, 2015 7:59 Alex Koyfman
 
D Diercks: 

I think the most important advice I every received is to set my priorities and keep them in mind at all times. The other was never be afraid to take a chance.

  D Diercks
8:01
[Comment From AdairaAdaira: ] 

Dr. Diercks, you’ve clearly accomplished amazing things in your career. What are some of your career highlights? Also, what are some moves that you made to enhance your career?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:01 Adaira
 
D Diercks: 

I think my biggest career highlight is being able to raise 2 great daughters and maintain an academic career. I think having a great peer group in academic medicine has really helped me keep being productive even when things got tough to balance.

  D Diercks
8:03
[Comment From AdairaAdaira: ] 

What are some “need to know” tips for negotiating a job offer?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:03 Adaira
 
D Diercks: 

When you go into a job offer you really need to have decided what is important to you. Most of us choose between time and money. Know the job market in that area and what you will offer to the institution. T

  D Diercks
8:04
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 

Who would you consider your most influential mentor(s) and why?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:04 Guest
 
D Diercks: 

I think my best mentors have been Brian Gibler because he showed me what academics was about and supported me as I tried to get involved. I think Judd Hollander has been a great mentor. He is my go to guy for career advice and is a great person to bounce ideas off of.

  D Diercks
8:06
[Comment From AdairaAdaira: ] 

What is the best piece of advice you’ve received for being a female leader? Any tips for those of us still in early training? OR for other senior female physicians?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:06 Adaira
 
D Diercks: 

I think the best advice I have received was to not define balance based on my perception of what others expect. We all define our own balance. I think that is a great lesson for junior and senior female physicians. We have to be happy with ourselves. Defining success based on others expectations makes you always feel like a failure.

  D Diercks
8:07
[Comment From MannyManny: ] 

What pieces of advice would you give to EM residents hoping to pursue academics?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:07 Manny
 
D Diercks: 

My best advice would be to first get involved in some of the professional societies. It is a great way to see if you like the people, show you are really serious, and make contacts. The next thing would be to define a niche that really interests you.

  D Diercks
8:10
[Comme
nt From Ryan
Ryan: ] 

As a chair, what have you found the best ways to make conferences more interactive than the tradition lecture based presentations? Small groups? Sim sessions?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:10 Ryan
 
D Diercks: 

I am fairly new at this chair thing, but I definitely don’t think hour long didactics work anymore. Didactics need to be brief with a focused message. Case based interactions seem to keep people interested.

  D Diercks
8:11
[Comment From Zach SkaggsZach Skaggs: ] 

What’s a typical day like for you as Chair of UTSW’s Emergency Department?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:11 Zach Skaggs
 
D Diercks: 

Meetings, meetings, meetings. I got some great advice from the Dean when I started and he told me to block off time for myself. I have 2 4 hour blocks a week to do research and work on things that interest me. I have an open door policy so even some of that time fills up.

  D Diercks
8:12
[Comment From AdairaAdaira: ] 

As a female, how do you manage the Level 1 traumas in your department…especially if multiple teams are involved? Many females struggle with this. Where do you think they go wrong? What works? (Disclaimer: you are our first female AMA guest we’ve had, so I’m getting all of these gender related questions out while you are here!)

Monday February 2, 2015 8:12 Adaira
 
D Diercks: 

I think as female EM docs our biggest challenge is having our voice heard. That can clearly be a problem in traumas. I have learned that it is often more effective to whisper in the ear of the “trauma” leader what needs to happen and they usually do the yelling. Being in control isn’t being the loudest, it is being the one listened to.

  D Diercks
8:15
[Comment From EMGuestEMGuest: ] 

What are your go-to ways to keep up-to-date on clinical EM topics?

Monday Febru
ary 2, 2015 
8:15 EMGuest
 
D Diercks: 

I read PREP (goes over peds topics), review cardiac topics for my research, and then look at all the journals that cross my desk. Usually, I learn the most by looking things up on shift. It is one of the things I love about night shifts. I have a little time to read up on topics.

  D Diercks
8:16
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 

What is your view on social media and FOAMed in resident education?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:16 Guest
 
D Diercks: 

I think they are concise and great ways to learn. I actually like looking at twitter and such. As long residents use them to supplement some more in-depth learning they are great tools.

  D Diercks
8:18
[Comment From AdairaAdaira: ] 

Do you suspect any progress on creating more formalized guidelines on how to manage concussion patients that bounce back to the ED? Or even those we see on the first visit? Are you a believer that LOC needs to be absent?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:18 Adaira
 
D Diercks: 

I was at a conference today and concussion was a big topic. There is a lot of work being done on post-concussion syndrome and I hope in the next 5 years we will be able to predict who will have long term side effects from the injury.

  D Diercks
8:19
[Comment From AdairaAdaira: ] 

How does your department maintain wellness in your residents? What about for your entire department?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:19 Adaira
 
D Diercks: 

Resident wellness is always something we talk a
bout. I am not sure we have it right at this point. Our current practice of focusing on wellness days seems to miss the mark as it needs to be a daily focus.

  D Diercks
8:21
[Comment From EMEM: ] 

How do you see Emergency Medicine changing in the next 5 years?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:21 EM
 
D Diercks: 

I think we will be a lot more specialized which will place EM docs in practices outside the ED. As this occurs we will have an increased presence with hospital leadership.

  D Diercks
8:22
[Comment From EM ResidentEM Resident: ] 

What journals do you use to stay up to date on the current EM research?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:22 EM Resident
 
D Diercks: 

I usually look at Annals and AEM. It is really tough to read everything. I appreciate the FOAMed and social media that review some key articles because I also miss some good stuff.

  D Diercks
8:23
[Comment From EM ResidentEM Resident: ] 

As an EM researcher, do you see any role in obtaining a Master of Science in Clinical Research?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:23 EM Resident
 
D Diercks: 

I do think it is valuable. I decided to get a MSc after working 6 years. It really has helped me speak to statisticians and provided me with much more skills to use when I do research.

  D Diercks
8:24
[Comment From EMEM: ] 

What are some clinical cases that you still find challenging?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:24 EM
 
D Diercks: 

I think the clinical cases I struggle with are the ones that I am on the fence about admission or discharge. It is so much easier to admit a pt, but that isn’t always the best for them. This requires me to think about every risk and aspect of the care of the patient.

  D Diercks
8:26
[Comment From ChrisChris: ] 

Any recent papers that have totally changed your practice?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:26 Chris
 
D Diercks: 

Tha is a good question. I think that the ADAPT trial on rapid cardiac rule out has strengthened my views around serial cardiac testing. I also like the study from Ottawa on clinical prediction rules for SAH.

  D Diercks
8:28
[Comment From ChrisChris: ] 

Any tips on how to be a good mentee?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:28 Chris
 
D Diercks: 

Great question. I think that a making sure your mentor understands what you expect from them and understanding what they expect from you is essential.

  D Diercks
8:29
[Comment From ChrisChris: ] 

What are some reasons a resident would want to join SAEM?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:29 Chris
 
D Diercks: 

Networking is key. Talking to people that you respect can inspire you, clarify your academic goals, and perhaps gain future collaborators. I have met all of my research collaborators through SAEM or ACEP research forum.

  D Diercks
8:31
[Comment From ChrisChris: ] 

What are some of the hardest things about being chair that you didn’t see coming?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:31 Chris
 
D Diercks: 

The hardest thing is worrying about the finances and not being able to have the funds needed to help the faculty succeed.

  D Diercks
8:32
[Comment From MaryMary: ] 

What decision rules do you use when deciding to admit or discharge low risk chest pain patients? How do u document your clinical decision making? Do you refer to that rule?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:32 Mary
 
D Diercks: 

The rule that I have been using lately is pretestACS consult from Jeff Kline. It provides a post-test percentage risk of ACS and I can easily enter that into the chart.

  D Diercks
8:33
[Comment From EMEM: ] 

Anything practice-changing you learned from the latest review for preparing the ACEP Aortic dissection guidelines?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:33 EM
 
D Diercks: 

I think the thing I took away from that was the utility of a D-dimer + a low risk assessment is pretty good for excluding the disease. I was really surprised though by the lack of good data about any of the treatment goals in terms of blood pressure that exist.

  D Diercks
8:34
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 

Any tips on teaching in the ED or during rounds? Time is usually limited to give an in depth talk

Monday February 2, 2015 8:34 Guest
 
D Diercks: 

I have a bunch of cases that I collected over the years. I like to have the residents take a breath, sit down, and go over a brief case for 5-10 minutes during the night shift. It is a great way to relax and learn.

  D Diercks
8:36
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 

Have you abandoned code meds in setting of cardiac arrest?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:36 Guest
 
D Diercks: 

This topic was big and the conference I attended today. I have not given up on them, but realize that there is not much data to support their use. I don’t reach for high dose epinephrine.

  D Diercks
8:37
[Comment From MaryMary: ] 

How do you deliver bad news to families?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:37 Mary
 
D Diercks: 

I learned log ago to make sure I am closest to the door. I make sure I say the “bad” words like cancer and died. People usually stop listening at some point and I try to make sure they hear the key message.

  D Diercks
8:39
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 

What is your view on tPA in the setting of an acute stroke?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:39 Guest
 

D Diercks: 

I trained in Cincinnati so we used it all of the time. We rarely used in at UC Davis and I haven’t seen it used yet at UTSW. I think it should be offered to patients, but they should understand the risk and benefit (limited). This is one area of medicine that I think the patient should make the decision. Only they know if the limitations they may have are tolerable to them.

  D Diercks
8:41
[Comment From MikeMike: ] 

Having worked in a few EDs…. What works best to keep the momentum of your staff up

Monday February 2, 2015 8:41 Mike
 
D Diercks: 

Laughter and appreciation. Having fun keeps everyone moving and saying thank you makes people want to work with you. On those terrible shifts when things get bad, I make sure I say thank you to the nurses, tech, and residents for how hard they worked.

  D Diercks
8:43
[Comment From MikeMike: ] 

How quickly should we be calling codes in patients with traumatic arrests? Is it worth the risk to physicians doing central lines, chest tubes, etc… Also, what are your thoughts on junior residents doing procedures during codes? Should these be left for the most experienced resident? Or the attending?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:43 Mike
 
D Diercks: 

In traumatic arrest if there is a wide complex rhythm, I usually don’t code the patient and don’t put central lines in. I think junior residents should put in lines and do procedures during codes. The reality is most will not survive. We have alternative methods of giving medications in most cardiac arrest patients. I really encourage residents to try a “pocket shot” subclavian line during codes.It is good to do during CPR and you can run the code as you are facing the right way.

  D Diercks
8:47
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 

Any books/novels you recommend to enrich our views of being a doctor?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:47 Guest
 
D Diercks: 

< span class="replyText" style="width: 100%;">I am reading a book about “coaching”. It is a good way to help talk to patients, nurses, and residents to try to help them work through issues. It isn’t about being a doctor but can help improve the work environment by enabling people to address challenges.

  D Diercks
8:49
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 

What is your step by step approach to giving feedback?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:49 Guest
 
D Diercks: 

First I make sure that I have gotten past any emotional issues with the event. I try to identify the issue. When I give feedback I make it clear I want to discuss the action or issue at hand and not the resident as a person. It is like not telling the person “you didn’t treat Ms x correctly”, instead I try to say ” I was disappointed that Ms x did not get antibiotics in a timely manner” That focuses on the action and not the person.

  D Diercks
8:50
Baker Hamilton: 

Only 10 more minutes with Dr. Diercks! Get those final quesitons in!

Monday February 2, 2015 8:50 Baker Hamilton
8:51
[Comment From EMGuestEMGuest: ] 

What’s your approach to considering high-risk, low prevalence EM conditions when working clinically i.e. CVST, spinal epidural abscess, etc?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:51 EMGuest
 
D Diercks: 

I try to make sure I consider them and then make sure I reconsider them if my usual high risk disease work-ups don’t reveal an alternative cause and I have some concern labs, vitals, or an exam. Bottom line, I try not to be so dogmatic that I don’t consider the improbable.

  D Diercks
8:53
[Comment From juliajulia: ] 

What are some tips to help improve my role as a junior resident? Anything in particular you like to see? Anything you hate seeing?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:53 julia
 
D Diercks: 

I really like when a resident isn’t afraid to say what they think the patient has and what they want to do. It is so much more fun to have a discussion around the “art” of medicine. I am not sure that there are things that residents do that I hate. As long as they are working hard and doing the best they can it is my job to help them take care of patients and learn.

  D Diercks
8:56
[Comment From EMGuestEMGuest: ] 

What separates a great EM physician from a good one?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:56 EMGuest
 
D Diercks: 

A great EM physician has the ability to think outside the box of what is expected.

  D Diercks
8:57
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 

What is the name of the coaching book?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:57 Guest
 
D Diercks: 

I knew someone would ask that and I don’t have it in from of me. Robert Hicks in the author.

  D Diercks
8:58
Baker Hamilton: 

Any final words of wisdom?

Monday February 2, 2015 8:58 Baker Hamilton
 
D Diercks: 

I am doing EM because I love it. I can’t imagine another career would allow me to take care of such interesting patients, feel like I am part of a great team, and do something new everyday.

  D Diercks
8:59
Baker Hamilton: 

Thanks everyone for participating and a SPECIAL THANKS to Dr. Deborah Diercks for taking the time to answer our questions! We hope to see you all again at our next AMA 2/5 9pm EST with Dr. Andy Sloas!

Monday February 2, 2015 8:59 Baker Hamilton
 
 

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